March 2022 onwards - River System Status

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TerryJC
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Re: March 2022 onwards - River System Status

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Penri wrote: 26/04/2022, 21:56I'm not sure I understand the full picture behind the Night Control Code and what it's implications would be as the system currently stands, I certainly could see value as and when we have the Stage and Hanham Butts all available for storage.
Penri,

I think the main value would be to get as little water as possible in the main river system to reduce the scope for leaks. Presumably, since the river and bog garden contains far more water than the Sump it would help to reduce water losses owing to overflows and adding more potential storage in the Stage and Lady Hanham butts would only help in this because this strategy cannot work if the Wendy Butts are already full.

In fact, night mode could actually be designated 'backup mode' and could be made to kick in if the Sump ever got over full, whether at night or during the day.

Thoughts?
Terry
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Re: March 2022 onwards - River System Status

Post by Penri »

Yes I see that would be helpful.
hamishmb
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Re: March 2022 onwards - River System Status

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If the sump is over fully, our existing logic of pump to the wendy butts and then pump from there somewhere else (once we've got the pump infrastructure done that is) should be okay, I think. Am I missing something?
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Re: March 2022 onwards - River System Status

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Hamish,

I think you may not have seen the discussion here viewtopic.php?p=5798#p5798 which has an impact on this.

Yes. You are right, if the Matrix Pump was in place then a lot of this would happen anyway, but not the strategy to fully empty the Sump.
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Re: March 2022 onwards - River System Status

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I indeed had not seen that discussion.

I think from a maintenance and getting the timing correct point of view, that design is probably far easier to implement correctly, as well as simpler on the hardware level. Seems like a good plan to me.
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Re: March 2022 onwards - River System Status

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I have created a new Topic in the Software Forum to cover the development of the Water Backup logic; see viewtopic.php?t=322.
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Re: March 2022 onwards - River System Status

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Penri found that the Sump was empty this morning while the Butts were full. I logged in over VPN and confirmed the Butts level, but the Sump was returning 500 to 600 mm. The actual values returned by the A/D were of the order:

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Vmeas[0] = 1.9780603656117435  Vmeas[1] = 3.1520961943418686  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8100857570116275
Vmeas[0] = 1.9700601214636677  Vmeas[1] = 3.16809668263802  Vmeas[2] = 3.158096377452925  Vmeas[3] = 2.8080856959746088
Vmeas[0] = 1.9720601825006867  Vmeas[1] = 3.160096438489944  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8180860011597035
Vmeas[0] = 1.9840605487228005  Vmeas[1] = 3.1540962553788874  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8120858180486468
Vmeas[0] = 2.0300619525742367  Vmeas[1] = 3.166096621601001  Vmeas[2] = 3.160096438489944  Vmeas[3] = 2.8060856349375896
Vmeas[0] = 2.002061098055971  Vmeas[1] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8180860011597035
Depth = 500
Vmeas[0] = 1.9900607318338572  Vmeas[1] = 3.1540962553788874  Vmeas[2] = 3.158096377452925  Vmeas[3] = 2.8180860011597035
Depth = 600
Vmeas[0] = 2.010061342204047  Vmeas[1] = 3.1520961943418686  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8140858790856655
Vmeas[0] = 2.040062257759331  Vmeas[1] = 3.162096499526963  Vmeas[2] = 3.162096499526963  Vmeas[3] = 2.8060856349375896
Vmeas[0] = 1.9880606707968382  Vmeas[1] = 3.166096621601001  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8160859401226843
Measured Depth = 600
Vmeas[0] = 1.9940608539078952  Vmeas[1] = 3.158096377452925  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8180860011597035
Vmeas[0] = 2.044062379833369  Vmeas[1] = 3.1540962553788874  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8120858180486468
Vmeas[0] = 2.032062013611255  Vmeas[1] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[2] = 3.162096499526963  Vmeas[3] = 2.8060856349375896
Vmeas[0] = 2.0200616473891415  Vmeas[1] = 3.166096621601001  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8160859401226843
Vmeas[0] = 2.0220617084261607  Vmeas[1] = 3.1540962553788874  Vmeas[2] = 3.160096438489944  Vmeas[3] = 2.8180860011597035
Vmeas[0] = 2.008061281167028  Vmeas[1] = 3.1540962553788874  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8080856959746088
Depth = 500
Vmeas[0] = 2.010061342204047  Vmeas[1] = 3.158096377452925  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.804085573900571
Vmeas[0] = 1.9920607928708762  Vmeas[1] = 3.166096621601001  Vmeas[2] = 3.158096377452925  Vmeas[3] = 2.8080856959746088
Vmeas[0] = 2.0240617694631795  Vmeas[1] = 3.162096499526963  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8180860011597035
Vmeas[0] = 2.0420623187963503  Vmeas[1] = 3.1540962553788874  Vmeas[2] = 3.162096499526963  Vmeas[3] = 2.8160859401226843
Measured Depth = 500
Vmeas[0] = 2.000061037018952  Vmeas[1] = 3.1520961943418686  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8120858180486468
Vmeas[0] = 1.998060975981933  Vmeas[1] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[2] = 3.162096499526963  Vmeas[3] = 2.8060856349375896
Vmeas[0] = 1.996060914944914  Vmeas[1] = 3.166096621601001  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8140858790856655
Vmeas[0] = 2.0120614032410655  Vmeas[1] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[2] = 3.158096377452925  Vmeas[3] = 2.8180860011597035
Vmeas[0] = 2.032062013611255  Vmeas[1] = 3.1520961943418686  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8100857570116275
Vmeas[0] = 2.0200616473891415  Vmeas[1] = 3.160096438489944  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8060856349375896
Depth = 500
Vmeas[0] = 2.008061281167028  Vmeas[1] = 3.166096621601001  Vmeas[2] = 3.162096499526963  Vmeas[3] = 2.8060856349375896
Vmeas[0] = 2.048062501907407  Vmeas[1] = 3.166096621601001  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8140858790856655
Vmeas[0] = 2.0200616473891415  Vmeas[1] = 3.158096377452925  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8180860011597035
Vmeas[0] = 2.00406115909299  Vmeas[1] = 3.1520961943418686  Vmeas[2] = 3.162096499526963  Vmeas[3] = 2.8160859401226843
Measured Depth = 500
Vmeas[0] = 1.996060914944914  Vmeas[1] = 3.1520961943418686  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8140858790856655
Vmeas[0] = 1.9940608539078952  Vmeas[1] = 3.158096377452925  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8060856349375896
Vmeas[0] = 2.002061098055971  Vmeas[1] = 3.166096621601001  Vmeas[2] = 3.160096438489944  Vmeas[3] = 2.8060856349375896
Vmeas[0] = 2.002061098055971  Vmeas[1] = 3.166096621601001  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8160859401226843
Vmeas[0] = 2.044062379833369  Vmeas[1] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[2] = 3.160096438489944  Vmeas[3] = 2.8180860011597035
Vmeas[0] = 1.9940608539078952  Vmeas[1] = 3.1520961943418686  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8140858790856655
Depth = 500
Vmeas[0] = 2.0220617084261607  Vmeas[1] = 3.1540962553788874  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8080856959746088
Vmeas[0] = 2.0120614032410655  Vmeas[1] = 3.166096621601001  Vmeas[2] = 3.160096438489944  Vmeas[3] = 2.8080856959746088
Vmeas[0] = 1.9640599383526107  Vmeas[1] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[2] = 3.1560963164159066  Vmeas[3] = 2.8180860011597035
Vmeas[0] = 2.002061098055971  Vmeas[1] = 3.1540962553788874  Vmeas[2] = 3.162096499526963  Vmeas[3] = 2.8160859401226843
Measured Depth = 500
Vmeas[0] = 2.0120614032410655  Vmeas[1] = 3.1540962553788874  Vmeas[2] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[3] = 2.8100857570116275
Vmeas[0] = 2.0140614642780847  Vmeas[1] = 3.164096560563982  Vmeas[2] = 3.162096499526963  Vmeas[3] = 2.8060856349375896
Something was clearly wrong; the Vmeas[0] reading should have been nearer 3.15 V, so Penri removed the probe to his workshop. He initially confirmed the fault, but after disassembly the fault cleared. He is currently soak testing the probe in his workshop.
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Re: March 2022 onwards - River System Status

Post by Penri »

Probe was removed and tested on a workshop rig.

On initial test, with no magnet applied Vmeas[0] measured around 2V while the other channels measured 3.1V or so, clearly an issue.

The probe was disassembled, it was noted that Vmeas[0] now measured around 3.1V, the same as the other channels. A visual inspection followed by a test of each Hall effect switch was carried out, all appeared well and each switch performed as expected. The bare probe was subjected to some shaking when live, without any ill effects being observed.

The probe has been re-assembled, given another shaking and left on soak test, thus far it is working as it should.
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Re: March 2022 onwards - River System Status

Post by hamishmb »

Hmm, this is interesting. It'd be good to know what it is that's causing the problem, assuming this is the issue that's plagued us since the start with this design. Maybe just water ingress / damp due to condensation?
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Re: March 2022 onwards - River System Status

Post by Penri »

The electronic, inside the tube, looked pristine, no sign of damp, no corrosion evident.

Can't explain why the issue went away on disassembly, if it had been a hard (ie permanent) fault then the issue would probably have been down to one of the Hall effect switches, of which there are 40 in each probe, but each individual switch checked out ok when tested.
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